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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 3-January 19 From: Santa Barbara Member No.: 22,772 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
Hi Everyone!
I took my ‘71 1.7 to the car wash yesterday. When I picked it up, they told me it was stuck in reverse. Sure enough, the gearbox is stuck in reverse. It seems like you can shift back and forth between 4 and 5, but in those positions the gearbox is just locked up; feeling like “park” in an automatic transmission. Shifting back and forth in neutral only left the gearbox in reverse. On my initial search of the internet, I came across mentions of a car being shift ed between first and reverse while still moving and this could cause this. Also there was a mention of doing something with the reverse light pin to get it out of reverse. Is there an emergency fix for this problem and what is the long term repair? Thanks everyone, Peter |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,385 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States ![]() |
So the car will not shift out of reverse but the stick moves freely? Is there a particular direction the stick moves freely in?
This could be as simple as one of the cone screws coming loose but I can't tell from your description. I assume this is a tail shift? |
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 3-January 19 From: Santa Barbara Member No.: 22,772 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
'emerygt350': thank you for your reply.
Yes, it is a tail shifter. Th stick moves freely from right to left in the neutral position. And it moves freely in front wards and backwards it what appears to be the 4th and 5th gear positions. |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,385 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States ![]() |
But it is really just sitting in reverse?
I wish I were more familiar with a tail shifter, but first thing I would do is pull the plastic cover (I think it has one) off the knuckle where it heads into the transmission and see if movement of the stick is translated into movement of the actuator at the transmission. |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,624 Joined: 19-October 20 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 24,781 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
Hi. Did you check at the tail to see if that bracket that holds the shift rod moved? There is a ball at the firewall and the cup under the shifter that the ball fits into. I'm just wondering if you may have a whole mess of slack from a failure at one of those and can't get it out of reverse.
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,184 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch ![]() |
Did the shifting seem vague at all prior to the problem? On the bottom of the rear of the trans there is an access plate below where the linkage enters the trans. A triple rolled pin that lives above the plate on the linkage. When that pin gives up the ghost you can’t adjust away the shifting issue. As mentioned, check all of the bushings related to the shift linkage.
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Custom Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24,620 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States ![]() ![]() |
Tail shifter has a bushing underneath the shifter...when those types disintegrate...you get no movement.
Alternately...look at the back of the trans while someone of shifting the car. It should move logically...up/down and back/forth You can see this from the read of the car. If you have never redone the bushings, it could simply be time after 50 years. Rich |
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Custom Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24,620 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States ![]() ![]() |
I took my ‘71 1.7 to the car wash yesterday. When I picked it up, they told me it was stuck in reverse.
Never let an amateur drive a 914...the shifting cannot be forced by a brute...its all gentle. |
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Jerry ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,035 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
I took my ‘71 1.7 to the car wash yesterday. When I picked it up, they told me it was stuck in reverse. Never let an amateur drive a 914...the shifting cannot be forced by a brute...its all gentle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) 100% Makes me cringe to think of someone jamming the shifter to get into gear. What if they moved it in first then hit reverse while moving forward? Hopefully something came loose in the shifter linkage and not inside the transmission. Calling @Dr_Evil |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,482 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States ![]() ![]() |
Unfortunate
Many years ago I purchased a nice 356 from the opposite coast and had a "reputable" transport bring it across. Sure enough when she arrived the trans was a mess. I had Vic take care of it, but lesson learned. Nobody will get the keys to any of my sporting machines, valet NO WAY These gearboxes are easy to mess up if you don't have the feel, especially when they are 50+ years old Hope it's an easy fix |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,033 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None ![]() |
I would look at the back of the shift linkage to see if you can shift it into the gears there. If so maybe the tunnel bar has come apart
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,701 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 224 Region Association: None ![]() |
Sure enough, the gearbox is stuck in reverse. It seems like you can shift back and forth between 4 and 5, but in those positions the gearbox is just locked up; feeling like “park” in an automatic transmission. Happens when side pressure is put on the shifter when moving to neutral. Drain the box and remove the cover where a side shift console would bolt up. Move the 1st/reverse shift rod into the neutral position and reassemble. Also there was a mention of doing something with the reverse light pin to get it out of reverse. This works on a 911 where the reverse switch contacts the end of the shift rod rather than the side. You'd remove the switch and push the rod to the neutral position. |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,624 Joined: 19-October 20 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 24,781 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
Sure enough, the gearbox is stuck in reverse. It seems like you can shift back and forth between 4 and 5, but in those positions the gearbox is just locked up; feeling like “park” in an automatic transmission. Happens when side pressure is put on the shifter when moving to neutral. Drain the box and remove the cover when a side shift console would bolt up. Move the 1st/reverse shift rod into the neutral position and reassemble. Also there was a mention of doing something with the reverse light pin to get it out of reverse. This works on a 911 where the reverse switch contacts the end of the shift rod rather than the side. You'd remove the switch and push the rod to the neutral position. Cool. That's easy enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,807 Joined: 31-January 23 From: Granbury Texas Member No.: 27,135 Region Association: Southwest Region ![]() ![]() |
Sure enough, the gearbox is stuck in reverse. It seems like you can shift back and forth between 4 and 5, but in those positions the gearbox is just locked up; feeling like “park” in an automatic transmission. Happens when side pressure is put on the shifter when moving to neutral. Drain the box and remove the cover where a side shift console would bolt up. Move the 1st/reverse shift rod into the neutral position and reassemble. Also there was a mention of doing something with the reverse light pin to get it out of reverse. This works on a 911 where the reverse switch contacts the end of the shift rod rather than the side. You'd remove the switch and push the rod to the neutral position. Bingo! Exactly right... The 911 version sounds drop dead simple. I sold a 74 Super Beetle to a good friend who was LARGE. His fat thigh would put too much side pressure on stick in reverse and pop that puppy BEHIND the other shift forks. He'd stir around until he pushed something else into engagement. He did it THREE times to the car. The first two times I wasn't with him, and he ended up locking the trans up bigtime. The first time was Christmas eve in Marshal Texas (bout 200 miles away from Ft Worth). It was snowing and the car was in an uncovered parking lot. Engine out, tranny out, tranny rear cover off, adjust shift forks, reassemble in the dark, in the snow, on Christmas eve. 7+ hours drive time, 58 minutes wrenching, a lifetime memory... I had removed/reinstall the engine in that car multiple times and had gotten proficient. He did it again later in Ft Worth. Drug to shop, much easier on lift. 3rd time I was with him when it happened! Popped out of reverse but DID NOT engage another gear. Had him park it and I felt carefully with shifter, held it close to reverse location and "popped" it back into reverse gate without doing anything else. 10 second fix!!! After he saw HOW to reset it, he never had any trouble again. We also figured out it was his fat thigh that was creating the issue in the first place and I'm not sure if he ever did it again. |
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